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I think, the great advantages of the previous panes is that their location is static. So it is very fast to drag-and-drop, the hand "remembers" the exact positions of "Rows", "Columns" and "Values" - where to place columns and measures.
Not any more.
With the new on-visual experience, my hand and brain are confused, each time I stop to think where do I drag, and if not drag, where do I click? On what location? For each visual - it is different location. This got me tired very fast. My eyes are all over the canvas, I move mouse back and forth. Very slows down the work.
You can keep the new on-visual interaction, but please, allow the option to use the old, static-located panes.
I've just started playing with this feature, so don't have a ton of experience yet, but my comments are:
1. On object interaction is a sorely needed function. Using the format pane is SO completely unintuitive. Every Power BI class I teach, people ask "why can't I just click directly on the item to change it". In general on-object orientation is 100% the right way to go.
2. I've noticed a bug - if I select a specific visual type, the "Suggest a Type" toggle does not automatically turn off. Which means when I add a new field it switches the visual to something different than what I chose.
3. I did see an issue where I was getting problems saying something like an error with a filtered field. Didn't catch the error at the time and so far I've been unable to reproduce
4. Like others, it would be nice if we could have "both" the old and the new ways of editing visuals turned on at the same time.
Keep up the good work - this feature needs a ton of work, but it's absolutely the right way to go.
If you go into the DAX formula bar to edit a DAX measure or column when a visual is selected, the Build a visual pane and icons are on top of the bar, obscuring code underneath. See example below. Very frustrating, can't seem to get rid of it without coming out of the bar, which then AUTOMATICALLY calculates the DAX whether it is finished or not (this is my pet gripe). You can't click escape, either to get rid of the annoying pane that is now in the way, or to STOP the resulting calculation. Please, I beg you, two things
1. Make the Build a Visual pane BEHIND the DAX formula bar by default ALWAYS. Please don't say, ensure that no visuals are selected before going into the DAX bar. That is not a solution.
2. Onbly calculate a DAX formula if the tick is ticked, NOT if you accidently click return, NOT if you accidently click outside of the bar, ONLY if the tick is ticked.
Thank you. 🙂
Bella42's point 2 is an amazing suggestion, the amount of times I hit return rather than Alt/Shift + Return and then have to wait for the unfinished formula to calculate and tell me there's an error is unbelievable... I can't be the only one (hopefully not)
A solution to this would be amazing, and only calculating when the tick is clicked is a good idea, but then how would you know to check if you have uncalculated formulas... maybe an banner indicator or a turn calculations off/on button, like there is in Excel would be a better option, especially to stop everything recalcuating when making other changes in the report too
When will Microsoft start focussing on user suggetsions and stop introducing feature that don;t work and clearly nobody wants... What about a stacked and clustred chart, or a much better guage or better control over the size of areas within charts... I'm sure there's many more uggestions that users make that MS pay no never mind too
Hadn't thought of the possiblity of 'uncalculated' formulas. I generally finish what I am doing in the bar, and would click the tick before exiting but I can imagine it not happening that way. I was about to suggest a 'calculate all' button, and stopped myself, it would take the whole day 🙂 maybe a little signal on changed but uncalculated measures?
If I started on 'suggestions' to improve existing features rather than add new, unwanted, unworkable features, it would also take the whole day. Hate to seem ungrateful but Power BI is a shocker, and seems to have learnt zip from previous softwares. The neighbours must think there is some kind of murderous rampage going on in here 9 to 5, given the bloodcurdling screams of frustration. The only time it stops is when I am in Excel, coding in lovely VBA. Sigh...
I've been playing with the new on-object Interaction all day while doing the rutine Power BI projects.
- It is good and fast for double-clicking to change format properties, such as color, etc.
- It is very confusing when I need to replace, add measures. It requires me to do many clicks on different parts of my screen (first, on visual, then on pane). My hand is actually hurting moving the mouse so much. And I also have a little dizziness because my eyes are jumping all over the screen.
Please, allow us to KEEP USING the old formatting + data panes on the right, while keeping the new on-visual feature. Please don't limit us just to the new way.
I am switching it off because it adds work for me.
The best way to see what I am talking about is just seeing me work. If you need more info, feel free to contact me.
On Summary, the problems around on-object interaction as it is currently implemented are mostly around the panes and not really on-object interaction which is the main feature. While the interaction on PowerPoint and Excel is great, the panes that allow finer control are less accessible there, please don't go that way with Power BI too. We gotta have our panes.
I'll agree with the majority who are saying let us keep the old visualisation and data pane active while using On-Object. If we can use BOTH versions at the same time then this wouldn't be so bad, for me having to choose between having the Data pane active or the Formatting Pane active with a new intrusive sidebar that can't be hidden is a no go for me.
I get some people want to save on screen real estate but there's a good portion of us that need a lot of information on the screen, especially when OnObject doesn't show items with DAX errors well.
Having the visualizations over the right hand side was much better. Consider I'm working with complex measures that have quite long names, I expand out the visualizations pane on the right hand side and the data tab next to it and it makes everything visable and easy to read.
With the visualisations pane next to the chart of table in the middle of my screen I can't expand it out to be as large as it was on the side pane and i can't now ready my measure unless I hover the mouse over it, quite annoying. I prefer the old style.
Maybe the old and the new can be combined with having the visualizations tab on the right hand side stacked under the data tab.
Not a fan of this new feature at all. Blocks visuals, feels a bit clunky and does not add value in any way. For me, its made working a bit tougher as I have to break muscle memory with these changes and slows me down. But overall, I just fail to see the added value of this feature. There are orther things the PBI community has been asking for that would add much more value. Just my opinion.
As a trainer, I like to kick around new features before teaching them. When the March 2023 update brought On-Object Interaction, I tried it out. Initially, when I tried to move fields from one field well to another, I got an error message inviting me to report this to Microsoft, which I did. Today I built a report making a clustered column chart using the X axis and the legend. Again I swapped the fields and this time it didn't raise an error. However, when I clikcked on a column to filter other visuals by my selection, it didn't filter them; instead it took me to a data table view of my filtered figures, with a "Back to report" button.
It seems that if I create a visual, it filters as long as I don't edit the fields, but once I have done so, then it takes me to this data page. I have found this to be repeatable.
Please give us the option to have the on-visual formatting but retain the formatting, visualisation AND data panes. Whoever scoped this design clearly does not use the product.
While I am at it,
1. why cannot the app remember the width of the the panes? it is painful to keep resizing them.
2. why not make the build pane and fromat panes separate? or at least the option to separate them? We live in a world of ultra-wide screens nowadays 🙂
What changes would you like to see?
- I liked the Visualization pane where it was. We build muscle memory of selecting the visual and going back to the panes for everything and now I click on a visual and have to wait for the litle icon to show up. The new in-object pane shows up in different places, if it happens to be in a visual down on the page I have to scroll down - it really does now flow well - not to mention the extra clicks.
If you turned off the preview switch, why?
- It slowed me down, all reasons above
Any suggestions for addititional settings or capabilities?
- Provide the option to have the Visualization pane
The number one rule of software design is not to mess with what people know. Give us the option to still have a visualization pane. It takes many more clicks now than it used to with the visualization pane, like changing visual types, renaming fields, etc. The new user interface is not intuitive and needs work.
I turned off the The On-Object Interation feature after a few minutes of use. I hope that we are not forced to use it in the future.
The extra click to get/see the list of fields has no value. When the build 'menu' pops open and it is near the right hand side of the canvas, it covers up part of the visual that you are trying to modify. I noticed that the yellow warning triangle that is present when a column is no longer available is not shown in the 'build' panel.
The stacking of the Selection, bookmark, data... panels in the right side nav bar is nice though. My only thing that I dislike is the build menu and it's placement.
Thank you for the feedback and giving the preview a try. Can you share a screenshot of the first issue of the overlap? We are tracking a bug on the missing error state within the build menu.
When the visual is right next to the right edge of the canvis, the build a visual moves to the left, covering up part of the visual that you are attempting to change.
Loose analogy here:
If the data selection pane is akin to painter's color pallette, there is a reason why the color pallete's design allows for all color choices to be conveniently located and readily accessible.
The On-Object feature feels like we are taking the tubes of paint and putting them in our pocket. You need a different color? Take them out, find your color, put a dab on the canvas and then put them all back in your pocket again.
I tried it for a couple of days and am here typing this because when I changed it back, I noticed the "Share feedback" link.
Please do not force us to use this.
The last couple of changes to make PowerBI easier have made it progressively take more clicks for things.
To create a date slicer that was a dropdown used to only be three clicks.
1. Add date to page
2. Make visual a slicer
3. Click the ellipsis to change it to a dropdown
You then made it take extra clicks when you moved this functionality over to the visualizion pane.
In this new rendition of on object interaction you have made this same process take six clicks.
1. Add date to visual
2. Change visual type to slicer in object interaction (turn off suggest data type as it is always wrong)
3. Click the paintbrush
4. Click more options
5. Click slicer settings
6. Under options select dropdown style.
Stop trying to imitate Tableau. Updates to PowerBI UI should reduce number of clicks and simplify items. Not drastically increase and swap where things are ever UI update.
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