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RosieL
Power BI Team
Power BI Team

Share your thoughts on the new On-Object Interaction feature (preview)

Hit Reply to tell us what you think about the new On-Object Interaction feature so we can continue to improve.

For example:

  • What changes would you like to see?
  • If you turned off the preview switch, why?
  • Any suggestions for addititional settings or capabilities?

Thanks,

-Power BI team

 

To read more about the feature, see the announcement in the Power BI Product Blog or our documentation on how to Use on-object interaction


FAQs:

  • Q: How can I open multiple panes at once?
    • A: You can CTRL + click or right click on the unselected pane you wish to open and choose "Open in new pane"
  • Q: Where did aggregations move to?
    • A: It's still on right click of a field, or you can use the new flyout aggregations dropdown while choosing or swapping a field.
  • Q: Where did drillthrough and tooltip page setup move to?
    • A: Drillthrough is now in the page settings of the format pane under Page Information > Page type > Drillthrough or Tooltip.
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Hi CJSquibb,

 

Please check out the June release. There will be updates to give you more flexibility with the placement of the Build a visual menu and ways to persist the strip on the right with the tools that you choose.

 

If you turn off "Suggest a visual type by default" in the options dialog you will be able to see all of the field wells each time you open the Desktop


In regards to the mid-gray dropdown arrow on a teal button, you may be running into a bug. The icons, like arrows and text should all be white on the new teal. I'll log this for someone to look into

 

Thank you for your detailed feedback. I appreciate the time you took to write all of that out and I can take your suggestions to the team for consideration.

ereg0002
Frequent Visitor

Yeah no this is not good at all. I have tried to use it for a while now but it makes no sense and it is very wasteful.

 

The nail in the box is that I'm not able to use "aggregations" on my measures, they are greyed out, and for the reports that used "Show value as" and I try to do any changes Power BI pops up an error message which says cancel or report this issue. Every time I close that box it reopens it and I had to force shut down Power BI.

Please do not implement this in any near future.

Hi ereg0002,

 

Thank you for reporting this about aggregations. Though I may not be following. This feature didn't change how aggregations work. It only exposes aggregations in the flyout if they were available before. 

I'm not able to repro this behavior, but I would like to look into it further with you. Could you let me know which visualizations type you are trying this out with and could you supply a screenshot of the menus that are showing the issue? PLEASE REMEMBER TO MASK YOUR SENSITIVE DATA

When you says "any changes Power BI pops up an error" could you let me know what are the changes you tried to make before the error dialog appeared and wouldn't go away? This will help us target the portions of the UI that could be causing this so we can look into it.

Pfisterbi
Helper I
Helper I

@RosieL 
I gave it one more try after the new desktop has been released.

And... had to turn it off again. 

When use it and change to the definition of a calculated table, I get this:

Pfisterbi_0-1685609883226.png

 

The two shapes do not disappear, no matter, what I do.

If you want to push that really to production, then we need an option to turn it off, because, as it is developped now, it just unusable.

Sorry for the harsh statement, but that's my opinion about this feature.

Great idea, but needs an overwork.

 

Hi Pfisterbi,

 

This is a known bug that is currently being worked on. When the fix for this comes in a later update, I believe July, I hope you will give it another try. We won't be pushing this to production while we have known bug like this. Thank you for the feedback.

danextian
Super User
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Tried this today but had to disable it. I can't rearrange the fields. Is it just me or everyone else?






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Hi danextian,

 

Two things could be happening.

  1. If you have the Suggest a type toggle on, you can't reorder fields. Turning it off will give you the ability to reorder
  2. There is a bug where the drop zones have been reduced to the area between fields. This is making it look like you can't reorder since you have a very small drop zone to work with. This is being looked at to get a fix in place

As a workaround you could also try this solution that @duncfair shared Re: Share your thoughts on the new On-Object Inter... - Microsoft Fabric Community

Letzternacht
Regular Visitor

This particular feature seems to be useless and even wasted more time. I often find myself spending excessive amounts of time trying to accomplish my tasks using this feature. Specifically, the "Suggest a type" function is truly annoying, and the "on object" feature is even more frustrating. It becomes particularly difficult when the field name is excessively long, as it becomes harder to view it. Although I am aware that the side panel can be reopened by clicking on the icon in the view tab, I fail to comprehend the purpose of this action.

Hi Letzternacht,

 

Thank you for the feedback. You are able to turn the "Suggest a type" functionality off by default by going to the Options dialog and looking under global report settings. 

Would you be able to let me know more about why you find the "Suggest a type" function annoying. Also what is frustrating you about the "on object" feature. If we had more detailed information we can try and address it.

Long field names is an issue right now. This is something on our backlog for a future update to fix

ddk
Advocate II
Advocate II

Daily user and PBI-enthusiast

I have been testing this for over 2 months now and it still feels confusing, unproductive and counterintuitive. 

Main points:

- drag and drop fields in visual fields was a lot easier in the standard version

- the "Suggest a type" is really annoying, and sometimes you have to turn it off to change the visual.

- visual Format Pane should always be visible (now you have to re-activate it every time after restarting PBI)

- actually, I find myself never using the "on object" feature (double click in visual => blue lines)

- ...

Please, seriously reconsider this...

Hi ddk,

 

Thanks for this feedback and for testing out the feature for a long period.

-Please stay tuned for our June update. If you prefer to drag and drop fields like before, you'll be able to move the Build a visual menu closer to where you are used to working

-The "Suggest a type" should turn off when selecting another chart type. If you could share your repro steps I can have someone look into this. Also if you go to the Options dialog under Global Report settings you can uncheck "Suggest a visual type by default" Then you won't have to use it. If you could let me know what about it you find annoying I can take that feedback back to the team

-Please stay tuned for our July update. We are adding functionality that will allow you to have the same tools in the pane switcher each time you come back to Power BI Desktop

Thanks Ewan,

I was not aware of the ability to turn of the "Suggest a type" 👍.

Looks like the next updates might try to fix some of the issues many people are facing.

We look forward to it with our critical eye.... 🤔

DataSaurus
Frequent Visitor

This is confusing with and awkward and cramped interface. I specifically went looking how to turn it off because the current production way of building visuals is far better.  I have no idea why this would have time wasted on it when Power BI still doesn't have dark mode?!

Hi DataSaurus

 

Cool name BTW. Thanks for sharing your feedback. We have some positioning and sizing issue at the moment so I understand the awkward and cramped interface part. Though could you let me know more about what you mean by confusing. That way the team can trying to address the confusion

Please stay tuned for the June and July updates as they may give you the options you need to work more efficiently with the feature. As we trying and make Power BI more accessible for new users we will release early editions to collect feedback and telemetry. Please don't think that we are trying to make things more difficult for our users that have been with us for a long time. We actively plan for the reaction of our current users to make sure that Power BI is something you would want to stick with. Though features in preview may not have all that you need from the first release.

Apologies on dark mode. Power BI hasn't forgotten about it. I want it as well

tvav
Frequent Visitor

This "feature" is very awkward to use and I hope it does not become the standard.  If it does, there should be an report settings option to turn it off for the users that do not want to use it.

Hi tvav,

 

Thank you for the feedback. Could you let me know specifically what about it is awkward? Then we can try to address it. Also please stay tuned for our June and July releases. Hopefully you will find some of the options you are looking for.

QC
Kudo Kingpin
Kudo Kingpin

For the love of God Microsoft please cut your loss and stop this useless "feature"!

As a huge PBI fan and exprienced/daily user, this is the most anti-productivity thing I have ever seen. I tried twice: when it first came out, and after May PBI release. Unlike many preview features in the past, it is downright stupid: it makes simple things convoluted, what used to take 1-click, now requires 1~2 more per metric -> that is (n reports) x (m pages) x (k visuals) x (h metrics) more clicks! All for what? To make it more like Excel? 

The question is: despite overwhelming feedback from community of this "preview" feature, would Microsoft really listen? 

Hi QC, 

  

Thanks for the feedback. Hopefully, I can entice you to check out the June and July releases. They should give you some options that the community has been mentioning.  

 

We do investigate the feedback that we get in the community here. Though we also look at many other sources whether internal or external and telemetry. We aggregate all this information to guide our planning. Our goals are not to be like Excel, but we have found in our research that using familiar patterns from other Microsoft products helps to onboard inexperienced users quicker. 

 

I do not want you to think that we are not listening to your feedback. If anything, you have validated things that we knew would need to be fixed as we progressed in the project. Even though you are not seeing exactly something that you need in the first releases of a public preview, we will be make this easier for you to use as time goes on 

 

Ewan wrote: "but we have found in our research that using familiar patterns from other Microsoft products helps to onboard inexperienced users quicker."

 

Ewan - I came to Power BI from an Excel and Microsoft Office background and I can tell you that your research is flawed when it comes to using Power BI. I find this On-Object experience does not fit into quickly onboarding from MS Office to PBI, it hinders it. The old interface was/is much more intuitive and that made it very easy to learn.

Hi JohnF1966,

 

Thanks for the feedback. I should have chosen my words a bit wiser. I should have said, "helps to onboard a high percentage of inexperienced users quicker." Inevitably, this would mean that a percentage of user this won't be the ideal. 

We do have planned releases for this feature that will give you options to work closer to the way that you would want. Though the reason I am so thankful in my messages to the community is that y'all's feedback helps us to reprioritize some of those releases, as well as add some features that may be missing from our plans. 

The June release should be out soon, which should give some extra flexibility with the menu's placement. The July release will have some more.

If you are a fan of the previous layout for the Build a visual menu, there are Global Report settings in the Options dialog that will turn of some of the options for this feature. If you uncheck "Suggest a visual by default" and check "In the Build a visual menu, always show all of the visualization types. 

EwanT_0-1685739459770.png

 

This will make the menu look similar to what you have used in the past

EwanT_1-1685739656852.png

 

Hello Evan, glad to hear from MS directly: 

"using familiar patterns from other Microsoft products helps to onboard inexperienced users quicker"

It confirms what I thought, the feature is designed for who has little to no experience to get onboard quickly. I appreciate the strategy, but it shouldn't come at expense of experienced users, who took a lot of time & pain to learn, use it every day to manage work.

There is a reason for the overwhelming negative feedback from the community, because this new function adds too many clicks and slows down work significantly. Everything from adding data fields, re-arranging, choosing visual, grouping, renaming, formatting, or simply showing existing fields becomes "right-clicks" + more clicks, it is NOT productive at all. I don't mind bugs because I know MS will fix them, but this has to do with UI choice. As it stands now, it punishes those of us who use it the most, who are likely the most enthusiastic PBI/DAX/M fans/advocates, unironically. This leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

I sincerely hope MS would seriously consider our feedback, and re-design it in a much more intuitive and productive way. 

 

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