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RosieL
Power BI Team
Power BI Team

Share your thoughts on the new On-Object Interaction feature (preview)

Hit Reply to tell us what you think about the new On-Object Interaction feature so we can continue to improve.

For example:

  • What changes would you like to see?
  • If you turned off the preview switch, why?
  • Any suggestions for addititional settings or capabilities?

Thanks,

-Power BI team

 

To read more about the feature, see the announcement in the Power BI Product Blog or our documentation on how to Use on-object interaction


FAQs:

  • Q: How can I open multiple panes at once?
    • A: You can CTRL + click or right click on the unselected pane you wish to open and choose "Open in new pane"
  • Q: Where did aggregations move to?
    • A: It's still on right click of a field, or you can use the new flyout aggregations dropdown while choosing or swapping a field.
  • Q: Where did drillthrough and tooltip page setup move to?
    • A: Drillthrough is now in the page settings of the format pane under Page Information > Page type > Drillthrough or Tooltip.
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Hema_B
New Member

1. The On-Object icons pops on top of formula bar while typing in DAX formulas when any visual is selected and the formaula bar is open.

2. The arrow present in the Data, Format, Bookmark, Selection and Sync slicer panes could possibly used to collapse (by default) that pane instead of showing two options in dropdown to "collapse" and "close", since we already have a "X" to close the pane.

 

danyhoter
Microsoft
Microsoft

I'm getting used to the new experience and I can see it's advantages especially to new users.

The problem is with long time users who are used to do things in a certain way and for them the change is hurting productivity.

I remember the negative responses for the ribbon in Office and the decision not to allow a "classic" option.

Similarly I don't see any intention by the team to allow users to stay with the old behavior for the long run beyond preview.

Allowing the existing pane to stay alongside the new on-object can be a reasonable compromise. 

ManuTaikō
Regular Visitor

What changes would you like to see?

-Less emphasis on building the visuals with the on-object feature, use it as enhancement of the visuals pane rather than replacement

  • Instead focusing on editing things that are frequently changed like colours and text
    • Double clicking the visuals to edit specific areas is fantastic

- My struggle at the moment is creating new visuals, through the navigation and scrolling needed to achieve what used to be a drag and drop even with only a couple of small tables.

  • On the add visual right click I'd like to see the visual options autoexpanded and the data wells back in the format pane to be continued to be used with the data pane
  • Clicking on a data well and clicking to add attribute would be great to have with the visual and data panes
    • The amount of clicks for this bit specifically is the biggest contributor to my increased development time

Someone below suggested a pin button for things like the data panel - I'd like to add that keeping some of these settings persistent to the user would be wonderful for quality of life.

 

If you turned off the preview switch, why?

My primary pain point is that it doesn't feel intuitive. The amount of movement around the screen is making me feel very lost - If I wasn't aware of how Power BI worked or what I am able to do I would have switched it off much earlier.

 

Any suggestions for addititional settings or capabilities?

Ultimately, if the goal is to support new users then it would be good to do some kind of guided tour that users can then reference back to. Currently the help tab sends you off to the Microsoft learning site which is great for people who have time to invest, but it's easy to get lost if someone just wants to figure out how to add data to a visual.

 

Rather than emulating everyday office products, I'd much prefer the report area took cues from visual design software (which it already does it just needs a degree of refinement).

MattAbey
New Member

Kudos to the PBI team for adding the on-object interactions capability.  In therory, it sounds awesome, but I feel the current preview version isn't quite optimized yet.  For example, a simple change to the order of fields in a table now requires multiple clicks whereas the old panel enabled you to do that with a simple click and drag immediately.  I'd like to see on-object cosmetic changes being enabled with the new approach whilst maintaining the faster access provided by the old 'Visualizations' pane for 'structural' changes.  Changing the visualization is another example that requires multiple clicks when the previous version was quicker and easier (in my view).  Thanks!

I feel exactly the same after giving it a second try again (I initially turned if off again because it required too many clicks to add fields or view which fields are active, but then wanted to try it once again)

 

  • Leave the selection of visuals and fields and things like configuring conditional formatting of measures, etc. in a separate visual pane as an ADDITIONAL option to the on-object interaction. There are many use cases where the pane is superior. 
  • But definitely continue with making formatting directly on the visual/object very smooth/intuitive. The current formatting pane is very difficult to learn due to the number of options that can be selected for a visual (which are all needed and good). Allowing users to for instance right click on an element of the visual and then select options that affect exactly that element makes formatting much more intuitive. (similar to Excel charts)
danyhoter
Microsoft
Microsoft

I don't like the new experience and I want to revert back to the classic way.

I don't see an easy way to do that except disabling the preview feature

gveg
Regular Visitor

It would be great if you allowed color codes to be used in all sorts of strings in PBI. That would allow a lot of creativity in building great titles. For example I'd like to have part of the title in blue, part in red, something like this:     myTitle = "#0033FF" & "Blue text   " &  "#FF0000" & "Red text"

 

RHOU
Advocate I
Advocate I

What I like: 

 - it is easier / more intuitive for new users coming from Excel 

 - for some basic formatting / adjustment it is much faster (e.g. editing the Title is awesome like this)

 - the toggle for performance analyzer pane / bookmarks, etc. but I don't like that my data fields are also hidden. would wish that one could stay permanent (maybe give users some PIN feature for a pane they always want to see)

 

What I don't like / why I'm turning it off

 - the loss of the "visualization pane" means many times a lot of extra clicks to do the same thing. Annoying enough to turn the whole feature off. 

 - the new modification buttons are always in the way (e.g. if I click on a slicer to change a filter, then the new modify buttons overlaps into my visuals, because my reports are rather tightly laid out ... see screenshot below)

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My suggestion: Make everyone happy. Leave the old visualization pane in place for the power users and allow to simulatenously display the Data pane AND the Visualization pane. And keep all the new features of editing directly on the visualization in place (but please find a way to not have those buttons always in the way 

skftwins
Regular Visitor

I am not a fan of the new On-Object interaction feature and plan on turning off the preview. 

I think this change would be a good thing for new Power BI users, especially for those who have had previous time working in excel to make visuals. However, as a Power BI report developer who has spent more time on the Desktop application than I have in excel, I think it is a negative change. 

As some other replies have said, the biggest issue is that it slows down report development. It used to be very easy, and quick, to add multiple fields to a visual. Now, every time you add a field from the on-object interaction itself the menu closes and has to be reopened to make another selection. 

It is not intuitive how to make a new visual now - you would not even know that visuals exist in the application unless you choose to right-click somewhere on the screen. This has the consequence of "hiding" away a bunch of different visuals as the "default" visual recommended is usually either a Table, a Matrix, a Card, or a slicer. 

I think this could be a good option, but that is all it should be: an option. If this change goes live in GA, I would very much like to have the option to toggle it off.

WilliamPHoover
New Member

Hi, I really like much of the on-object interaction. I think it's here to stay, and will only get better from here.

 

would like to be able to collapse the Format and Data panes without needing to choose the dropdown and clicking "collapse."

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I also agree I'd like to be able to also have the old visualization pane open if I want to move measures that way...

 

Thanks for your hard work. PowerBI isn't perfect, but it's revolutionized how I handle data, and I'm grateful for that.

 

William

iBusinessBI
Advocate IV
Advocate IV

I think, the great advantages of the previous panes is that their location is static. So it is very fast to drag-and-drop, the hand "remembers" the exact positions of "Rows", "Columns" and "Values" - where to place columns and measures. 
Not any more.
With the new on-visual experience, my hand and brain are confused, each time I stop to think where do I drag, and if not drag, where do I click? On what location? For each visual - it is different location. This got me tired very fast. My eyes are all over the canvas, I move mouse back and forth. Very slows down the work.

You can keep the new on-visual interaction, but please, allow the option to use the old, static-located panes.
Thanks

Scott_Powell
Advocate I
Advocate I

I've just started playing with this feature, so don't have a ton of experience yet, but my comments are:

 

1. On object interaction is a sorely needed function. Using the format pane is SO completely unintuitive. Every Power BI class I teach, people ask "why can't I just click directly on the item to change it". In general on-object orientation is 100% the right way to go.

 

2. I've noticed a bug - if I select a specific visual type, the "Suggest a Type" toggle does not automatically turn off. Which means when I add a new field it switches the visual to something different than what I chose.

 

3. I did see an issue where I was getting problems saying something like an error with a filtered field. Didn't catch the error at the time and so far I've been unable to reproduce

 

4. Like others, it would be nice if we could have "both" the old and the new ways of editing visuals turned on at the same time.

 

Keep up the good work - this feature needs a ton of work, but it's absolutely the right way to go.

 

Thanks,

Scott

If you go into the DAX formula bar to edit a DAX measure or column when a visual is selected, the Build a visual pane and icons are on top of the bar, obscuring code underneath. See example below. Very frustrating, can't seem to get rid of it without coming out of the bar, which then AUTOMATICALLY calculates the DAX whether it is finished or not (this is my pet gripe). You can't click escape, either to get rid of the annoying pane that is now in the way, or to STOP the resulting calculation. Please, I beg you, two things
1. Make the Build a Visual pane BEHIND the DAX formula bar by default ALWAYS. Please don't say, ensure that no visuals are selected before going into the DAX bar. That is not a solution.

2. Onbly calculate a DAX formula if the tick is ticked, NOT if you accidently click return, NOT if you accidently click outside of the bar, ONLY if the tick is ticked.

Thank you. 🙂

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Bella42's point 2 is an amazing suggestion, the amount of times I hit return rather than Alt/Shift + Return and then have to wait for the unfinished formula to calculate and tell me there's an error is unbelievable... I can't be the only one (hopefully not)

 

A solution to this would be amazing, and only calculating when the tick is clicked is a good idea, but then how would you know to check if you have uncalculated formulas... maybe an banner indicator or a turn calculations off/on button, like there is in Excel would be a better option, especially to stop everything recalcuating when making other changes in the report too

 

When will Microsoft start focussing on user suggetsions and stop introducing feature that don;t work and clearly nobody wants... What about a stacked and clustred chart, or a much better guage or better control over the size of areas within charts... I'm sure there's many more uggestions that users make that MS pay no never mind too

Hadn't thought of the possiblity of 'uncalculated' formulas. I generally finish what I am doing in the bar, and would click the tick before exiting but I can imagine it not happening that way. I was about to suggest a 'calculate all' button, and stopped myself, it would take the whole day 🙂 maybe a little signal on changed but uncalculated measures?
If I started on 'suggestions' to improve existing features rather than add new, unwanted, unworkable features, it would also take the whole day. Hate to seem ungrateful but Power BI is a shocker, and seems to have learnt zip from previous softwares. The neighbours must think there is some kind of murderous rampage going on in here 9 to 5, given the bloodcurdling screams of frustration. The only time it stops is when I am in Excel, coding in lovely VBA. Sigh...

iBusinessBI
Advocate IV
Advocate IV

I've been playing with the new on-object Interaction all day while doing the rutine Power BI projects. 
My thoughts:

- It is good and fast for double-clicking to change format properties, such as color, etc.

- It is very confusing when I need to replace, add measures. It requires me to do many clicks on different parts of my screen (first, on visual, then on pane). My hand is actually hurting moving the mouse so much. And I also have a little dizziness because my eyes are jumping all over the screen.

Please, allow us to KEEP USING the old formatting + data panes on the right, while keeping the new on-visual feature. Please don't limit us just to the new way. 
I am switching it off because it adds work for me.
The best way to see what I am talking about is just seeing me work. If you need more info, feel free to contact me.
Thanks!

GMMMenezes
New Member

  • On-object formatting such as double-clicking a title to edit or having a context restricted formatting box appearing above it is great.
  • I did not experience bugs so far, like other users.
  • The build pane is a must, we need it back.
  • Having to turn on the formatting pane on the view ribbon is annoying. Plus, we can now only have one pane open at a time, which is very limiting. After turning on the panes on the view ribbon, they show up in the right hand "Panes Bar", if that's what you call it. Why not have the panes bar showing up all icons by default, or having a "sticky" behavior based on the last instance of Power BI Desktop that was used? 

On Summary, the problems around on-object interaction as it is currently implemented are mostly around the panes and not really on-object interaction which is the main feature. While the interaction on PowerPoint and Excel is great, the panes that allow finer control are less accessible there, please don't go that way with Power BI too. We gotta have our panes.

AlexanderPrime
Super User
Super User

I'll agree with the majority who are saying let us keep the old visualisation and data pane active while using On-Object. If we can use BOTH versions at the same time then this wouldn't be so bad, for me having to choose between having the Data pane active or the Formatting Pane active with a new intrusive sidebar that can't be hidden is a no go for me. 

I get some people want to save on screen real estate but there's a good portion of us that need a lot of information on the screen, especially when OnObject doesn't show items with DAX errors well. 


Please note - I am not affiliated with Microsoft, I'm just an end user like yourself.
Just a regular guy doin' Data Science.

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iPowerTheQuery
New Member

Having the visualizations over the right hand side was much better.  Consider I'm working with complex measures that have quite long names, I expand out the visualizations pane on the right hand side and the data tab next to it and it makes everything visable and easy to read. 

 

With the visualisations pane next to the chart of table in the middle of my screen I can't expand it out to be as large as it was on the side pane and i can't now ready my measure unless I hover the mouse over it, quite annoying.  I prefer the old style.

 

Maybe the old and the new can be combined with having the visualizations tab on the right hand side stacked under the data tab.

Hamzah_
Regular Visitor

Not a fan of this new feature at all. Blocks visuals, feels a bit clunky and does not add value in any way. For me, its made working a bit tougher as I have to break muscle memory with these changes and slows me down. But overall, I just fail to see the added value of this feature. There are orther things the PBI community has been asking for that would add much more value. Just my opinion. 

CJSquibb
Advocate I
Advocate I

As a trainer, I like to kick around new features before teaching them. When the March 2023 update brought On-Object Interaction, I tried it out. Initially, when I tried to move fields from one field well to another, I got an error message inviting me to report this to Microsoft, which I did.  Today I built a report making a clustered column chart using the X axis and the legend.  Again I swapped the fields and this time it didn't raise an error.  However, when I clikcked on a column to filter other visuals by my selection, it didn't filter them; instead it took me to a data table view of my filtered figures, with a "Back to report" button.

 

It seems that if I create a visual, it filters as long as I don't edit the fields, but once I have done so, then it takes me to this data page.  I have found this to be repeatable.

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